Click here to listen to excerpts from a conversation at Auckland University with Hemi Dale, of Te Uri o Tai and Te Rarawa tribes about globalization, Maori language teaching, and education policyas well as an excerpt from a talk with Gaelic scholar and poet, Maoilios Caimbeul of Skye on media and values
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See below for a transcript of this conversation:
Hemi- We have to be really vigilant in ensuring that we are not disadvantaged by that. It seems quite plain to me that there are some (???) officials living in the university who pose (?) in terms of recruitment of Maori for our program.
And again one important point that I need to make again. We are not a Maori only pathway. Our students are predominantly Maori but also those who aren’t Maori who are committed to Maori and so we are (?) part of our students come through. And you know work out, that relationship stuff in terms of not, what is ok, what is not ok in terms of taking particular roles. (???) So we’ve got a group of students in the moment who came in through a foundation program, hadn’t done any formal training in secondary school but came into our pathway, speakers of (Samoan?) and they are on their way to becoming trilingual. So that is amazing stuff that happens, and we have an open door like that. And I think if we can attract more and more and build our- the core in terms of what we do here.
Because what happens here is kind of nation-building stuff, you know, we can talk about citizenship plus and all that kind of stuff but with this you sort of got some of the tolls(?) and some of the experience to be able to engage and make your contribution. then it Really just the rhetoric stage and the enactment stage that you are talking about, they happen, but they happen in ways which are kinda less than desirable.
So, just thinking, maybe just conform myself to our program here, what to think that we are contribution to the development of our New Zealand citizenship, but that we’ve got people who are going to be active participants in that. With some of the requisite knowledge and tolls(?) in order to make the contribution at a variety of levels, at a variety of levels. That’s stuff you’ve got to endure, and celebrate what we got, I think…
H- That difference too is even in Mahapoon(?) within Mahapoon, they use that difference in family affairs it is even different. Different sort of opinion(?) and different sort of tastes and things like that. So all that sort of thing comes up and it’s-I think it is trying to interpret those values that we can accept the things that maybe I don’t like to be able to accept, and ponder over it, rather than try and set up barriers and I think that every able bodied person has an input into the pot. And yeah I think that over here it’s trying to, I suppose, well, what trade people call teach how to teach.
But within that too (we embed?) a whole lot of other things. You know, putting the values in, when we have Maori (?), when we have our bridging class, they always come down to sort of support us (?) (maori words?) And to me those are some far more worthwhile things. But we have to keep in mind that the institution needs to train people to be teachers. But to me some of those experiences that we can really draw our young people in. And with the next step hopefully they can carry that through as while are training to be teachers. And I think the opportunity is here for a lot to be drawn away from their culture, away from home. And when they go back, even home has changed. I know, for me, I was gone for four years and I went home and I saw a lot of things that, you know, I shouldn’t have been like that. Except that those were the people holding things down at home, and here I am way over here. (?) and not liking what I saw, the changes taking place, and it is forever changing.
The Maori has always been a global person. Now that may seem- sound strange to a lot of people. Of course when we talk about globalization we are looking at the fiscal (physical?) aspects of that. Our people are scattered all over the world. But Maori in a sense have always spoken about the global world in their mind. That is how they travel, they travel with- I know those are some of the things that we haven’t come to grips with in (???). I always ask the question of even politicians, and none of them seem to be able to answer the question, is where is the real Maori and (???) in the constitution of the country.
H- optimism about our language or the place of our language here maybe we are luckier than some of our indigenous (???) in that, it is one language and it would be neat to hear (?) the Maori directly or wherever they are flying to, that would be great, ambitious, but we have a language that is understandable pretty much around the world, with a bit of variation here and there.
Maoilios An example of what you’re saying is we went to Glasgow and we thought we’d go and see a film.
MA- Uh huh.
Maoilios We went to the cinema, and we didn’t know which one to choose and we thought we’d go and see that one. I can’t remember what the name of it was
Mar- It was more of a romantic nice peaceful film.
Maoilios Right, well we went in, this modern film, very recent film. It started off with this woman in a building in New York and she was rushing home but she had to go back into the building and the night watchman or whatever let her in and she was locked in the building and so her nightmare began, you know? Her nightmare began. This was the start of the film and this man…was then locked in a chair or something. This guy that let her in, he was a mad man? There was something wrong with him.
Mar- He had fancied her.
Maoilios He had fancied her but somebody else got her or something.
Mar- And he had locked, he had tied her up … –
Maoilios Oh yes, the guy, that’s right, it showed in the beginning of the film the clip of this man in the building in the same office as the girl he had made suggestive remarks to her or something.
Ma- I see, right.
Maoilios So this man was going to pay him back and he put him in a chair.
Mar- and tied him in the basement and then he, and then he turned to him
Maoilios He turned to him and then he said he was going to kill him right there and then.
Mar- He took her down to the basement and she saw this man tied to the chair in the basement and he started … (grimaces)-
Maoilios …. hitting him with an iron bar or something and we walked out, we couldn’t stand it anymore .
Ma- Oh my god!
Maoilios but you know, that’s
Mar- You could see the blood splat!
Maoilios But you know that’s … we talk about values?
Ma- Well exactly.
Maoilios But what values does that represent, when you go to a film, you’re in a city, you don’t know what you’re going to see, we could have sat through that, you know, but I couldn’t sit there and watch it, but somebody has made that film. Somebody-what values does the person who made that film have? What respect for human life does that person got?
Maoilios What it doesn’t have the are values of the people of Staffin for example in the film. Or the people of the Free Church in Staffin, Staffin doesn’t have these kind of values, you know? In other words, in the global village you’re going to be subjected to all kinds of values or non-values.
Maoilios Non-values you know?
Ma- Non-values, yeah.
Maoilios And yet, you can switch the television on and you maybe see something, I mean how many people watch something and they don’t realize they’re being impregnated with other values.